1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,840 February 1979. Why this booklet? So that Geppan may do properly his job, it is important 2 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:25,760 that it should be informed more frequently, more rapidly and more correctly. Rather that 3 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:34,000 we don't, Geppan doesn't want to push people, every individual to report systematically to 4 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:46,520 the police for every strange observation we may make in the sky. Geppan would like to 5 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:57,160 allow the people to operate a selection on their own observations and Geppan would like 6 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:06,640 people to be more able to interpret the natural phenomena, no matter how strange they may be, 7 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:19,600 or the well-known objects which may appear in the sky. So Geppan hopes that the booklet will 8 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:35,800 help people to report their observations in a useful way. This is now how Geppan's files are 9 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:49,840 organized. First is an official file. It consists of around 1000 reports which came through the 10 00:01:50,480 --> 00:02:06,920 Ministry of Defense, Police Force and Army. This file contains many observations of IFOs. It 11 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:18,360 concerns mainly the recent observations. It's been classified and is complete. And presently, 12 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:29,760 the reports are still coming in from the Police Force at a pace of about 20 per month. Secondly, 13 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:43,600 the private files. Those files have been sent to Geppan by people who have been involved personally 14 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:56,080 with the UFO phenomenon at a certain time in the life. And also groups of amateurs have transmitted 15 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:10,560 some summary of reports. This file contains approximately 10,000 reports, often pre-selected, 16 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:25,440 which means that the IFOs in many cases have been already discarded. The third file is constituted 17 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:40,520 by the Specialized Magazine. This will make for two to three thousand reports. Another file is 18 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Specialized Literature. Geppan has all the main books that have been published on the UFO phenomenon. 19 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Those books contain many reports, detailed reports of observations that can be used by Geppan. 20 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:15,360 We estimate at 1,000 non-classic and usable reports in those books. 21 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:26,960 Claude Poirre realized in 1971 another file which has been computerized and it contains 22 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:40,920 roughly 800 observations. It's with this file that some statistical work has been done. 23 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:58,520 In 1972, Saunders has transmitted to Claude Poirre the French part of his UFO catalogue. This is 24 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:17,240 roughly 4,000 reports. That is to say 1,000 distinct observations. Let it be said that Geppan has no 25 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:34,360 secret fire. In 1977, Geppan proceeded to the classification of the official reports of 26 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:41,800 observations transmitted to Geppan by the police force and the Air Force. 27 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:55,400 The investigation is as follows. It has four types of phenomena. Type A are phenomena that have been 28 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:05,160 completely identified. Iofos type B are phenomena that cannot be completely identified but which 29 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:15,960 present characteristics which lead to think that the phenomena may well be a well-known one. 30 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Type C are phenomena which cannot be identified because of insufficient data. 31 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:37,720 And finally type D are the phenomena which cannot be identified in any way through UFOs. 32 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:49,720 Then the phenomena of type D are classified in six different categories following the 33 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:55,720 classification that has been established previously by Dr. Heineck, Dr. Nolai. 34 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:05,400 They like this radar, observing radar and ground visual etc. and close encounters etc. 35 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:16,120 Page 11, the results of the first analysis. It's being found that the majority of the 36 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:25,080 actual observations correspond to a natural phenomena or to a produce of human technology 37 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:37,480 that the witnesses have wrongly interpreted. Those are the UFOs. May, but we see that a 20 to 25 percent 38 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:49,160 of the reports still stay unidentified. Those cases are for the upon the real observation report of UFO. 39 00:07:51,160 --> 00:08:02,360 In the green frame page 11, an analysis of 354 reports for the year 1978 and the classification 40 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:08,280 which is doesn't need any translation because it's very easy to read or to understand. 41 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:22,280 One will know that 25 percent were of type D that is unidentified. Those were 89 cases of the 354. 42 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:30,520 42 percent of natural light and 4 percent only of close encounters of the third kind. 43 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:39,960 It's been also found that a quarter of the unidentified were coming from witnesses 44 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:51,640 with high credibility. Page 12 and 13, the objectivity of the observations of UFOs. 45 00:08:52,360 --> 00:09:00,360 K-PAN wanted to make sure that the observations of type D were really objective observations 46 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:11,560 and were not of another nature. Say for example hallucinatory. Different methods were used. 47 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:25,800 First, a comparative analysis was made of the different witnesses on one hand reporting 48 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:31,800 observations of type A and witnesses of reporting observations of type D. 49 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:43,560 Secondly, a statistical analysis of reports of type D UFOs was made to verify if these 50 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:55,160 respected the optical laws of the visual observation function of the atmospheric 51 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:07,400 transparency and of the degree of cloudness in the sky. And thirdly, an analysis of the 52 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:17,080 statistical coherence between the number of described details and the way that number will 53 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:26,200 decrease function of the distance between the observer and the observed phenomenon. 54 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:38,040 When all those methods give positive results, one is led to admit that the reports of type D 55 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:44,760 were caused or stimulated by objective observations, 56 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:56,520 observations which the experts were incapable of interpreting even when the reports are detailed, 57 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:09,480 even when the observations were made at a short distance. It would be difficult to admit that 58 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:21,400 the observers could have invented observations in which the laws of the physique were scrupulously 59 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:30,040 respected, laws such as vision, atmospheric, transparency, etc. 60 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:43,320 Page 12, the green frame is the statistical study that Claude Feuer did privately on 825 reports of 61 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:53,720 type D. Page 13, the first investigations. Because of lack of time, Gapean could not wait 62 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:05,720 for the 15,000 reports to be filed and classified and decided to choose two typical cases which 63 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:12,680 Gapean wanted to present to the scientific commission or scientific advisory panel in 64 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:27,800 December 1977. Those two investigations were done in November 1977. The two investigations concern 65 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:37,400 nocturnal lights, the first one, 5th November 1976, Arrives, Isère, three witnesses, beginning of the 66 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:49,800 night from the house, two observers see an intense light which goes rapidly across the sky and a few 67 00:12:49,800 --> 00:13:00,600 minutes later, 22 kilometers away from that, an engineer from the Saint-Rédiction nucléaire 68 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:10,760 de Grenoble, nuclear nucléaire study center of Grenoble, see observers inside his car, 69 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:24,920 join 20 seconds, a luminous disc which has a very strange movement run in the sky. 70 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:38,840 The second observation analyzed was a case of the 7th March 1974 at Combe Rougeie, 71 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:47,800 Tarnier-Garrond, nocturnal light, two witnesses, 25, 26 years old. Rarely in the morning, a car 72 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:55,880 driver observed during two to three minutes close to the road on which he is driving, a 73 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:12,360 big object, very luminous, distant of about 300 meters, then the object rises and takes the shape of a 74 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:21,880 red sphere and disappears in the sky. A few kilometers away from that, another person 75 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:32,280 makes an observation which can be clearly linked to the previous one. In both cases, the objective 76 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:43,400 character of the observations was confirmed and any tentative to assimilate those observations 77 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:56,840 to a known phenomena or craft didn't succeed. During the meeting of 1977 with the 78 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:08,760 Scientific Advisory Commission, it was concluded that the constitution of Gepal was perfectly 79 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:19,160 justified. The members of the commission had gone through all the reports, the dossier established 80 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:29,720 by Gepal and on that basis it appeared to the members that it is today impossible to exclude 81 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:40,680 or to acknowledge the to deny or to acknowledge the abnormal character of the reported facts. 82 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:53,240 And apart from that, the members say they cannot make any statement on the scientific interest 83 00:15:53,240 --> 00:16:03,880 of those facts. The advisory commission made several suggestions and favored that the Gepal 84 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:15,720 should pursue his work with increased means. Page 15, 16 and 17 are 85 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:27,000 advised to the eventual observer of the strange phenomena. In particular, page 16 and 17 86 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:37,320 gives methods by which an observer could roughly estimate the actual size of the object by use of 87 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:50,200 the thumb, the forehand of the fist. For example, an observer could hide the object with his thumb, 88 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:58,520 which means then that the object has an apparent dimension of roughly two degrees. 89 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:08,440 If the thumb covers exactly the object, this means the object is an apparent diameter of 90 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:17,080 roughly two degrees. If two thumbs, next one to the other, are necessary to hide the object, 91 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:23,880 that means the diameter is four degrees. In the same conditions, which means the 92 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:36,520 full object could be 10 degrees with the fist, close fist, or roughly 20 degrees if the hand 93 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:44,440 is open. Another simpler method would be of course to compare the object with other objects 94 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:52,040 from the landscape, the house, the car, the moon, etc. One can then say that, for example, 95 00:17:52,040 --> 00:18:01,320 the object has an apparent diameter of three times the one of the moon. Page 18 and 19, 96 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:10,680 the new structure, the actual structure of Gepal. The Gepal is the structure 97 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:22,120 composed of seven groups. The fast action, sampling the physical traces, a radar alert, 98 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:33,080 expertise, national files, statistic analysis, and simulvally. First, the group of fast action, 99 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,720 intervention, maybe fast intervention. 100 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:48,920 All the police force in France has been asked to contact rapidly the direction of the police 101 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:59,640 force in Paris whenever an important case of UFO observation occurs, like a closing 102 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:08,760 counter or a landing with some physical traces. And it is the direction of the police force who 103 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:19,560 will decide if Gepal should be alerted in Toulouse, where a group of fast action 104 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:33,000 will be immediately formed, that the team constituted will be composed of several investigators 105 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:42,120 coming with different specialties. They will go to the location of the observation, meet and meet 106 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:49,560 all the witnesses. This group since March 78 has been asked seven times, but 107 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:58,440 actually got into action only twice in June and July. Second group, the group in charge of sampling, 108 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:08,040 taking samples from the tracers. This group is alerted in the same way as the first one, 109 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:17,240 the group for fast action. It will take samples from the tracers by various methods, 110 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:28,520 mainly coring the soil. And then the samples will be sent to various laboratories for analysis. 111 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:43,080 It is very important that this group should be able to get into action 24 or 40 hours only after 112 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:53,480 the landing of the object. The group has been asked twice since March 78, but the information came 113 00:20:53,560 --> 00:21:03,400 in too late and his move to the location was therefore useless. The radar alert group will 114 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:16,360 interfere in two cases. First, if it's asked by the group for fast action following a visual 115 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:26,600 observation or it will interfere if asked directly by the people involved in the air traffic, 116 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:38,440 like pilots, air traffic controllers, etc. The expertise group analyzes the hundreds of reports 117 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:49,560 that are transmitted to the police force. The group will regularly make and classify all those 118 00:21:49,560 --> 00:22:02,840 reports and actually presently 100 to 200 reports monthly go through the expertise group. 119 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:14,440 The National Fire Group is in charge of the postcode all the observation reports 120 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:27,000 classified of type D. There are about 30 different criteria which help to characterize 121 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:36,440 each observation. The group of statistical analysis is composed of statisticians and 122 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:45,320 mathematicians and professional computer people from the CNES. The group tries to 123 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:58,600 find all the characteristics of the UFO phenomenon by analyzing all the observations 124 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:08,520 collectively. A seventh group is called the group SIMAVNI. It's presently working on a tool 125 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:20,040 on an optical instrument called SIMAVNI which means simulation, optical simulation of a UFO. 126 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:34,280 That optical instrument is pictured page 20. It consists of a box and several slides showing 127 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:42,600 different shapes of a UFO are used by some sort of optical system. The slides are super 128 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:52,040 impressed on the landscape. Then the witness chooses the slide which 129 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:59,240 corresponds the best to the UFO he observed and try to position it in the landscape the way he 130 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:08,920 actually observed it. The witness will be able to modify as he wishes the image and so will 131 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:22,200 simulate his observation which can be then sort of measured by the investigators. The 132 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:28,680 team thinks that this optical instrument should help very much the investigators in their work 133 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:37,160 because the words language has proved to be often insufficient to describe an unusual observation. 134 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:45,000 Two opticians and one engineer are in charge of the group SIMAVNI. Page 21. 135 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:53,720 Page 22. During the first six months of 1978, K-PAN decided to analyze 10 cases. 136 00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:04,120 The K-PAN chose observations more strange than the ones it had analyzed in 1977 which were 137 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:13,400 simple nocturnal lights. Page 26. The results of those investigations. Two cases were discarded. 138 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:23,800 Eight were retained and considered as non-identifying because of the quality in the different descriptions 139 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:33,880 because of the internal coherence of the reports made by each witnesses and made by the witnesses 140 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:45,000 amongst themselves. K-PAN could see the characteristics of the observed phenomenon 141 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:55,720 with enough precision so as to conclude that the phenomenon was specific and that it was difficult 142 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:06,200 to interpret it by comparison with a known phenomenon. Incidentally, in K-PAN's booklet there's no 143 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:16,360 mention of which cases were studied but I believe from some other information that it included some 144 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:23,560 close encounters of the third kind particularly the French case of CUSAC. 145 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:37,240 Page 27. 28. 29 is about the second meeting of the advisory scientific commission 146 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:49,160 which happened on the 6th and 7th June 1978. Commission suggested that another scientific 147 00:26:49,960 --> 00:27:03,000 should become a permanent member of K-PAN. The commission estimated that the connections between 148 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:12,520 the police force and K-PAN had worked in a satisfactory way. It suggested that a short 149 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:22,840 meteorological questionnaire should be sent to the various police forces in France 150 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:34,280 as to get a better knowledge of the meteorological conditions during the observation. Also to allow 151 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:47,160 certain deductions, conclusions in terms of thermodynamic relating to the possibility or not 152 00:27:47,880 --> 00:28:00,040 of certain rare meteorological phenomena having happened. The commission thought that a chemist 153 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:09,240 should become a member of the group in charge of sampling the traces. As for the files and the 154 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:18,760 statistical analysis, the commission did not think worthwhile to re-investigate other ancient cases 155 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:29,320 except if there may be some link between an ancient observation and a recent one which could help 156 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:38,120 understanding this new observation. New orientations suggested by the commission 157 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:50,440 thought that K-PAN should make a complete list of all the rare phenomena observed by various 158 00:28:50,440 --> 00:29:00,760 scientific French laboratories and if possible foreign laboratories. All the optical manifestations 159 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:13,160 of those phenomena could become the matter of a film documentary which could help to 160 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:21,480 sensibilize the investigator commission. They thought it is not the right time to 161 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:29,800 express any preferential hypotheses which could explain and interpret the observations. 162 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Describing the work of K-PAN, K-PAN was created in March 1977 and started operating 163 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:51,400 first May 1977. Presently, K-PAN is composed of two permanent persons, the director and his secretary 164 00:29:51,400 --> 00:30:04,440 that helped by about 20 engineers and 20 technicians and employees from the CNES CNES who on a part-time 165 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:14,040 basis are busy with the various expertise analysis, establishment of files etc. 166 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:26,360 Another 40 or so people from the private sector or public participate also to certain activities 167 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:37,880 of K-PAN. For example, people from the CNRS that is to say a national center for scientific research, 168 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:49,080 the national meteorology, the air force, the national navy and the gendarmerie national police force 169 00:30:49,720 --> 00:31:00,200 or France of course. Seven groups working groups have been constituted. First a group for 170 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:12,120 fast intervention or fast action made of six persons. This group will eventually get where 171 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:22,840 an observation took place on a very short notice. This group was asked seven times since March 1978 172 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:37,400 but it really got into operation only twice. Secondly, a group in charge of taking samples from 173 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:47,960 the physical traces. It's composed of seven members. It's been asked twice but the information came 174 00:31:47,960 --> 00:32:01,960 in too late and the intervention was therefore useless. Thirdly, a group, a radar group composed of four persons 175 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:13,400 and an expertise group composed of about 12 people. Those 12 people from the expertise group 176 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:24,920 will go through the recent dossier, the files, the reports that the police force 177 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:35,960 will forward systematically in principle to K-PAN. Between 100 and 200 dossier reports 178 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:52,440 that way examined monthly. A group composed of 17 persons is in charge of the national file center. 179 00:32:52,440 --> 00:33:05,640 It will work on coding all the non-identified cases. A sixth group, a group in charge of 180 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:14,920 statistic analysis is composed of seven statisticians, mathematicians and computer people, professional 181 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:25,240 computer people. Finally, two opticians and one engineer are at the moment working 182 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:35,640 on an optical instrument which is supposed to help reconstructing the observation of the witnesses. 183 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:44,680 This last group is called SIMOVNI which means optical simulation of a UFO. 184 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:55,720 Now this is the way the optical instrument should work. Several slides showing different shapes of 185 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:06,920 UFOs are proposed to the observer. He may choose whichever slide responds to the object he observed 186 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:16,440 and then using an optical instrument he can position the shape of the UFO itself in the landscape 187 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:27,880 as he has seen it during his observation. During the summer of 1977, 188 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:36,760 K-PAN also organized an advisory scientific advisory panel of eight members. 189 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:53,640 Seven of those members are exterior to the CNES. The specialties are astronomy, plasma physics, 190 00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:03,640 atmospheric physics, physics of the atmosphere, physics of high energies, meteorology, 191 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:16,600 geodesy by satellite and psychology. This advisory panel is supposed to give direction to the work of 192 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:27,880 the K-PAN by expressing his opinion on the results. Experts from K-PAN have decided to 193 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:42,120 classify the UFOs. First, there are phenomena of type A. Those are completely identified 194 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:59,400 by the K-PAN. Secondly, phenomena of type B for which there are strong indications of a possible 195 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:09,960 identification. Thirdly, phenomena of type C. Those are observations which are still unexplained 196 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:23,720 but for which the K-PAN has insufficient data. And finally, phenomena of type D which are UFOs 197 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:39,480 to the full extent. Those UFOs type D are then classified accordingly to the classification 198 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:47,560 that has been established by Dr. Heineck, Nocturnal Lights, Close Encounters, etc. 199 00:36:49,320 --> 00:37:02,760 In 1977, K-PAN decided to make sure if the observations from group D through UFOs 200 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:18,280 corresponded really to real stimuli or had an hallucinatory origin. The results 201 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:33,080 that achieved lead led them to admit that the stimuli are real and stay non-identified. 202 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:44,120 In December 1977, the advisory panel had a meeting for the first time in Paris and the eight members 203 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:57,400 who appreciated the first works gave positive recommendations which led to an increase in 204 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:11,960 the means that the K-PAN could have. In 1978, the main effort was on the detailed analysis of 205 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:29,960 10 ancient cases, anterior to 1977. Eight of those cases stood up to that heavy analysis 206 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:48,520 and the studies ended up in the publication of an enormous report, 679 pages in five volumes. 207 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:59,240 The result of 9,000 hours work involving 82 persons and the 6th and 7th June 1978, 208 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:09,080 the second meeting of the advisory panel was held in Deluge this time. 209 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:21,480 The new recommendations of the scientific advisory panel now concern the functioning of K-PAN 210 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:33,640 is orientations and the circulation of information. One recommendation was to 211 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:43,160 publish a complete listing of all the rare phenomena observed by the French and foreign laboratories. 212 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:53,720 All the optical manifestations of those phenomena will be made into a film 213 00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:03,080 for the sake of the investigators and this film could eventually end up into a 214 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:14,280 documentary for the public which should stimulate people to mention their observations 215 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:31,400 to K-PAN. K-PAN will become a public relation agency. It has prepared a booklet of information 216 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:43,960 describing the methodology that was adopted by K-PAN, a few statistical results and information 217 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:55,000 which should increase the quality in the reports. K-PAN will also be able, if it wishes to, 218 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:08,600 make known to the private groups officially acknowledged the methodology they adopted 219 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:22,040 and will also receive any advice, suggestions that those group members might like to give. 220 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,760 This last recommendation by the advisory panel 221 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:40,920 led to the meeting of 12 September 1978 in Toulouse. One conclusion of K-PAN is that 222 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:48,440 from the several hundreds reports that were analyzed by the group, 223 00:41:49,320 --> 00:42:03,960 half of those were due to a bad interpretation of phenomena or objects easy to identify. 224 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:21,240 But this exists between 20 and 25 percent of reports relating to phenomena to the experts 225 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:34,680 from K-PAN. No known natural phenomenon, no object engineered by our technology can explain in a 226 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:46,920 satisfactory manner the often disturbing characteristics of those UFOs. But at this 227 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:57,640 stage in the research it is totally too early to formulate any kind of hypothesis. The apparent 228 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:08,120 conclusion is as follows. One must have the patience to wait for without passion, without any 229 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:16,840 hurry, wait for a better knowledge of the phenomenon before making any kind of statement. 230 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:33,960 Very likely we have there a long-term work. If the study of the phenomenon was easy to do, 231 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:43,960 the results would have been known for a long time. If we consider the importance that the results 232 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:53,960 may have, this study must be done with all the care and all the patience, all the prudent patience 233 00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:10,200 necessary. We wish that the public doesn't try to obtain revelations on this subject in the 234 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:21,400 enormous spectacular literature that has been produced. It is generally quite mediocre and is 235 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:34,600 proposed for often for purposes that are exclusively commercial. Now a comment by 236 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:44,840 Einforses Pass on the meeting and on the work of K-PAN. First an interrogation about Claude 237 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:56,440 Bauer's leave. Some people said that maybe Bauer was actually dismissed by the K-PAN advisory 238 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:04,920 panel but that's pure speculation. Apparently Bauer had been working for four years on a book, 239 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:11,880 on a boat and has just decided to take a year of sailing around the world. 240 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:21,880 One may fear that a certain paralysis threatens K-PAN, lack of financial means, 241 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:34,600 lack of personal and a few problems with the administrations. Maybe that's what convinced 242 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:45,400 Claude Bauer to leave K-PAN. He's been replaced by Mr. Alain Esteli. Alain Esteli is 243 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:58,520 from Polytechnique. His research has led him to arise University of Houston, Texas, 244 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:07,000 then University of Washington where his work was particularly concerned with 245 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:16,840 astronautics and mathematics. He obtained a master of science and then 246 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:29,800 entered the CNES in 1973 so as to work in the various projects of satellites, 247 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:37,960 telecommunications satellites and also of the launcher Ariane. 248 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:49,400 Swing studies even obtained a doctorate in mathematics at the KEE. 249 00:46:49,960 --> 00:47:01,240 A member of the K-PAN ever since the creation of the group, Alain Esteli, has been mainly working 250 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:08,600 on the files and methods of investigation and analysis. 251 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:16,120 We have fears about what's going to come out from the K-PAN. 252 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:29,160 According to Mr. Ash Curien, C-U-R-I-E-N, president of the CNES, who doesn't believe 253 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:41,640 apparently to the UFOs, the real purpose of K-PAN would be purely and simply to reassure the populations. 254 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:57,640 One can wonder if K-PAN is not taking a curve, a turn, an orientation towards a 255 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,880 demystification, Condon style. 256 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:14,280 During the September 78 meeting, the different French UFO groups have reacted differently. 257 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:27,480 For example Jean Cider SIDER from Geos G E O S has welcomed the meeting with enthusiasm 258 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:37,560 and maybe a little naively, uh, a raise without any reserve all the initiatives from Ge-PAN. 259 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:50,200 Other people like France Krebeli and Lionel Denis from Sveps S V E P S are more careful and 260 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:58,440 more realistic. They are happy about this first meeting between an official, 261 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:08,600 official organism and the private associations. They are worried nonetheless about the purposes 262 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:21,560 of the action and the apparent absence of a real program of scientific research on the UFOs. 263 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:28,600 Other groups are extremely severe towards Poir and the works of Ge-PAN. 264 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:39,800 In conclusion, Air Force Spath thanks Claude Poir and other scientists like Pierre Guerin 265 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:51,160 who have not hesitated to put to risk their scientific career so that a K-PAN could get born. 266 00:49:51,960 --> 00:50:01,080 After a few months of a work apparently efficient and positive, the wind seems to change. 267 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:12,680 We have worries to express about that because any kind of work tending to weaken the scientific 268 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:20,920 research on the UFO phenomenon must be fought against. To facilitate the scientific research on 269 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:34,600 the UFOs must be fought against. It would be a shame if this was the real fate of Ge-PAN.